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[MUSIC PLAYING]

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Traditionally, music-- which
is a hugely powerful force

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in anything, in life.

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It's probably the
quickest art form.

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It is.

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It gets in there like
mainlining heroin.

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It's like two notes
and you're there,

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and something's being felt.

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Traditionally, in
film production,

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Traditionally, in
film production,

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with the exception of some
temporary tracks that you

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might use during editing,
music is an afterthought.

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Music is something that you
add to the existing film

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once it's more or
less done, where

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you hope-- you hope it
will amplify emotions that

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are there, that you've created.

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And it is very much
about amplification.

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But that, to me, always
felt a little artificial,

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that something as
powerful as music should

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take some kind of
secondary-- or at least,

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take some kind of
secondary-- or at least,

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some step that
came in at the end.

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We sort of felt
that music, because

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of its centrality and its power,
ought to be recorded first.

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So it has been our process
from the very, very beginning

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to record music either before
we start editing or very

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early in the editing process,
so that the music itself

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is one of the
directors of the film,

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rather than something that's
added as an afterthought.

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rather than something that's
added as an afterthought.

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And rather than have
something scored--

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which is, you know, once
you've locked the picture,

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a score is kind of
a mathematical term.

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It's got to be exactly 53
seconds and 20 frames till this

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hit.

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We would rather record
music that we're

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drawn to emotionally, that we
think fits a variety of needs,

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record many different
versions of it,

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and permit the
music to dictate--

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in many cases-- the
pace and rhythm as we

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develop those scenes.

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So sometimes we might actually
shorten a sentence of narration

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So sometimes we might actually
shorten a sentence of narration

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or lengthen a
sentence of narration,

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if that's appropriate, to--

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to meet a phrase of
music that's ending.

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It's the exact
opposite of scoring.

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It's baking in this.

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It's not the icing on the cake.

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It's the fudge.

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[MUSIC PLAYING]

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The power of music is so
great that we can actually

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use recurring themes
of music to build

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use recurring themes
of music to build

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a kind of emotional
structure, and give

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more force to the narrative
arc that we're trying to--

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to create.

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One can think of David
Lean's "Lawrence of Arabia,"

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when those five or six notes--
da, da, da, da, da, da, da--

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I mean, he plays it, in a
three-hour film, 250 times.

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I mean, I'm sitting here
with editors sometimes

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and I'll say, well, use that.

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And they go, well,
I've already used it.

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I say, so?

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You know, there's something--
it's like an establishing shot.

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You know, there's something--
it's like an establishing shot.

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But it's an establishing
shot in your heart.

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You're not seeing it.

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You're feeling something.

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And so what happens
is as you begin

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to work with these
beds of music, that

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might be 50 different versions
of 50 different songs--

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think of the mathematical
possibilities.

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What happens is you
begin to gravitate,

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using a particular theme at
a particular kind of moment.

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And when you do that, then it
becomes not incumbent upon you,

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but it becomes a possibility
to use that music again

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but it becomes a possibility
to use that music again

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at another moment that's
similar in feeling.

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Or you find out
that a character has

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such a force that their
entrance works really

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well with this piece of music.

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And it might behoove
you to experiment,

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seeing if that
repetition of that theme

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helps to reintroduce them again.

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And then sometimes,
it's just the collection

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of the ideas and feelings of the
film, the themes of the films.

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When you do that, you get an
accumulated set of emotions

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When you do that, you get an
accumulated set of emotions

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that then help you make
your whole narrative point.

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It's-- it's much better
that way, so that, you know,

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by the end of the film,
when that theme comes back

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for the very last time, I am--

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I hope you are--

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weeping out of the sympathy
and the understanding,

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the complexity, the
loss, and just sort

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of the vividness
of the narrative

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that you hope that
you've created.

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And that's where music is--

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is just always the best,
the quickest, the fastest,

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is just always the best,
the quickest, the fastest,

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the most emotionally powerful.

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[MUSIC PLAYING]

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We've taken essential
anthems of the United States,

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like "My Country,
'Tis of Thee," and we

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have played it every which way.

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And more often than
not, we've played it

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as a kind of ghostly
echo of a failed promise.

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I've dealt with race in almost
all the films that we've done.

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I've dealt with race in almost
all the films that we've done.

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We've seen the fact
that our inability

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to deal with the question
of race in the United States

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has left us in really
serious jeopardy

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throughout our history--

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right up to the present moment.

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And so quite often, sometimes
"My Country, 'Tis of Thee,"

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played in a different kind of
key, or played in [INAUDIBLE],,

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often counterpoints, say, the
violence of the Ku Klux Klan,

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you know.

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you know.

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And you-- you hear
in Jack Johnson

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about the sort of rabid
railing against miscegenation,

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the mixing of black
and white, that you

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hear the echo of "My
Country, 'Tis of Thee"

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as a kind of reminder of
maybe our better angels

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that aren't being
fulfilled at that moment.

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KEITH DAVID: Millions of
white Americans already shared

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their view.

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The fledgling
National Association

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for the Advancement
of Colored People

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mounted a national
campaign to ban the film,

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mounted a national
campaign to ban the film,

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and only succeeded
in publicizing it.

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"Birth of a Nation" opened
at the Liberty Theatre

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on Broadway the following
month, beginning

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a record run of 44 weeks.

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It would become the
most-seen movie of its time.

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Miscegenation was the supposed
evil at the heart of its story.

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And its moral was that every
self-respecting white man

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And its moral was that every
self-respecting white man

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had a duty to avenge
it if he could.

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And you just go--

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whoa.

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And all of a sudden,
music and picture--

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one and one isn't equaling two,
but three, because something

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else is produced.

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The free electrons that
give off create yet

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another thing, which is
all that we're looking for.

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You know, you can't
have the father and son.

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You also need the Holy Ghost.

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So you know, I
sort of feel like--

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particularly with music, but
certainly art in a bigger

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particularly with music, but
certainly art in a bigger

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context is that Holy Ghost.

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It takes the conflict, the
dialectic, the good and bad,

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the yes and no, the red
state-blue state, the gay

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and straight, the black and
white, the rich and poor,

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or whatever thing
you want to do,

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and reconciles it
with something else.

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[MUSIC PLAYING]

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Nothing could be more important
than the effectiveness

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of music.

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So the period music
that we select

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is an attempt to help wake the
dead of that particular time

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and understand what they
listened to, what kind of music

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and understand what they
listened to, what kind of music

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they liked.

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And it has a hugely
important role

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in sort of gluing all
of the things together.

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And so each film has a different
set of exigencies and demands.

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Each film is going to require
a different kind of music.

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So at any given time, we're
looking for the hip hop

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music that's appropriate to
"The Central Park Five," back

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to the early schottisches
and waltzes and horn pipes,

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as they're called, in any
kind of revolutionary period,

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or the Native American
music in "The West"

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or the Native American
music in "The West"

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or in "Lewis and Clark"
or "The National Parks."

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[NATIVE AMERICAN MUSIC]

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FILM ACTOR: You will probably
meet with parties of the Teton

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Sioux.

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On that nation we
wish most particularly

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to make a friendly impression,
because of their immense power.

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We want it to be organic
and appropriate to the moment.

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And we feel that
what happens is,

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because of the power of
music, the amplification comes

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because of the power of
music, the amplification comes

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from within.

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It's really authentic
to the exposition.

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[MUSIC PLAYING]

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The thing that we've
avoided, or tried to avoid,

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through most of our--

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our professional lives is to go
to those music places where--

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they're called needle drops,
from the old days of--

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of vinyl records, where you drop
a needle on a particular song.

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You say, that's what I want.

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And it's sort of the idea.

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And it's sort of the idea.

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That's where temp music is
often from, where you get--

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get me something before my
composer comes in at the end

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and does the real themes.

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And I don't want to
belittle any of that.

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And music is a hugely
expensive part of it.

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And when we set
about budgeting, we

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know we want to never
not use a piece of music

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because it's suddenly
prohibitively expensive.

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And we've done everything we
can to get most favored nation

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deals, and get folks, like the
Beatles in the Vietnam film,

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deals, and get folks, like the
Beatles in the Vietnam film,

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to say, yeah, we--

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we want this part of it.

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You know, we have
120 music cues.

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I couldn't have afforded 12.

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You know, I have
10 times as many

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as that because these musicians
were willing to say, we get it.

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So I would just urge you,
starting out, to aim high.

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I mean, the-- the worst
thing that can happen

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is that you say, you can't
get this piece of music.

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[MUSIC PLAYING]

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I wanted to be a
feature film maker.

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I wanted to be a
feature film maker.

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And I think I migrated a lot
of the laws of storytelling

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and of music to the
documentary film.

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And one of them
is, of course, sort

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of finding if not one
theme, then some themes.

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And I think there's been
no piece of music I've ever

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employed that sort
of had more legs

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and had more effect than
a tune called "The Ashokan

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Farewell" that I used
throughout "The Civil War."

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The interesting thing is,
it's the only piece of music

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that is not of the
period of the Civil War.

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It was actually written
in the early '80s

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It was actually written
in the early '80s

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by one of my session musicians.

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And I would go into
a recording studio

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with a guy named Jay Ungar
and his partner, Molly Mason.

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And it was this extraordinary
Scotch-Irish lament.

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And I knew right then
and there that it

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had to be the
bridge to the past,

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and conversely, to the present
for the Civil War series.

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To me, the biggest lesson
is to be open always

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to doing something the
opposite of the way

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you've decided to do it.

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you've decided to do it.

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I decided early on,
in all of my films,

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that I would try to do
music that was contemporary

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to the subject
matter, that I would--

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as much as possible-- play it
on instruments that would have

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been--

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that music would have been
played on at that time.

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And I did that.

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And then, almost in every
film-- not all of them--

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there were exceptions.

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And I think that
you, as a filmmaker,

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have to be aware of your own
feelings about something.

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It isn't just the abstract
idea of a soundtrack.

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It isn't just the abstract
idea of a soundtrack.

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Yeah, that's great, we've
got this name, this stuff.

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You've got to say no.

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You've got to be able to say,
that does not feel right,

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or yes, that feels right.

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[MUSIC PLAYING]

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This is the most important
event in American history.

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And I began with an image
of the ruins of Richmond.

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As the retreating
Confederate government left,

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As the retreating
Confederate government left,

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they blew up and set
fire to their munitions.

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It wasn't the Union
destruction of Richmond,

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it was the Confederate
destruction.

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You get the sense of
tension with this.

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The main reason
that I've done this

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is that it's silent here,
except for the music,

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to give me a chance to play
the entire A music twice,

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and then to begin the repeat
of the A music right here.

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As we're sort of
upping the stakes,

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As we're sort of
upping the stakes,

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we've got a single violin.

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It's now a second
violin has come in.

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We're beginning to hear a few
guitar chords periodically

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there, as we're witnessing the
totality of the destruction

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of the Civil War.

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And there's no
commentary needed.

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It is impossible to think that
this could have happened here.

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And I want to do this
just visually, and have

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the music be a counterpart.

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There's the beginning
of the B music.

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And now you can
begin the narration.

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And now you can
begin the narration.

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NARRATOR: The Civil War was
fought in 10,000 places,

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from Valverde, New Mexico,
and Tullahoma, Tennessee,

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to St. Albans, Vermont.

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There's something
in this piece of music

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that is of the period
of the Civil War.

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And then, of course, it isn't.

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And because it has a
freshness and a newness,

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it is going to be the connector
not only to all the other music

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from the period, but to us in
our hearts about what happens.

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And so we're now adding
more instrumentation.

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And so we're now adding
more instrumentation.

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We're-- we're beginning to say
all of the sort of essential,

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30,000 feet of the Civil War.

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But at the same time the--

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the imagery is intimate.

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I mean the idea that--

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NARRATOR: Americans slaughtered
one another wholesale.

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Americans slaughtered one
another wholesale, right here

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in America, in
their own cornfields

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and their peach orchards.

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NARRATOR: Along familiar roads.

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Along familiar roads, and by
waters with old American names.

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It's just saying, how could
we do this to each other?

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And the music is a
perfect complement.

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And the music is a
perfect complement.

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And because it's new,
it has the ability

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of permitting us
to see something

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new, much in the same way
Lincoln is saying, you know,

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"four score and seven years
ago," not 87 years ago.

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I think this music sort of
is a poetic dissonance that

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permits you to then pull
yourself right into the story.

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And because of its
plaintive wail, you are--

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are pulled in inexorably, just
by the power of the music.

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are pulled in inexorably, just
by the power of the music.

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[MUSIC PLAYING]

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NARRATOR: Men who
had never strayed

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20 miles from their
own front doors

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now found themselves
soldiers in great armies,

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fighting epic battles
hundreds of miles from home.

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They knew they were
making history.

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And it was the greatest
adventure of their lives.

